EP92: From Guilt and Burnout to Calm and Confidence: Exploring PSYCH-K® with Gemma Honeyball
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Hello, and welcome to today's Big Hearted podcast episode. I have the gorgeous Gemma Honeyball with me. Now, Gemma is a friend of mine, and I've known Gemma for quite a few years now, and r- well, in the last few years, she's started studying a [00:01:00] modality which is called Psych-K. Now, Gemma has talked to me about this a few times, and I've been a little bit resistant to do it, uh, until a couple of weeks ago, and I went and saw Gemma, uh, about an issue or something that I wanted to work through in my personal life.
I was a bit skeptical about it. I didn't think I'd ... I- I was like, "Well, that, yeah, well, well," and it was like a day later I noticed an immediate change in how I felt about, um, what I was experiencing, and then as the week went on, it became even more ingrained to the point where I don't even think about that issue anymore.
So, u- u- knowing what I know and the experience that I had, I invited Gemma to come onto the podcast to talk to you about this today, because it was so simple, like crazy simple, that I walked away thinking, "That's not gonna work," and it actually did. And I thought it would be remiss of me, because I could think of [00:02:00] so many different contexts that this, uh, modality might help family daycare educators to feel differently about things, and I wanted to share with you, because when I find something really great, I don't want to gatekeep that.
So beautiful Gemma, welcome to the Big Hearted podcast. Thank you for joining us today. Thanks, Victoria, and I'm so ... So good to hear what a great experience you had with your session. I love it. Thank you. Yeah. That was ... It was so good. It was so worthwhile, and I'm so pleased that we did it together. Um, so Psych-K.
I'm guessing there's going to be quite a few people out in the world that actually don't know what Psych-K is. So can you tell us a little bit about what Psych-K is and how you came about to be a practitioner? Sure. So Psych-K is, like you said, it's a very simple but very powerful set of processes that allow you to change, reprogram [00:03:00] subconscious beliefs and programs.
So we don't realize, but actually our subconscious mind is in charge of 96% of our mental function, which is a lot, um, and it'll also tends to be responsible for- We play out the patterns and the, the programs that our subconscious holds is what we live out in our life. And PSYCH-K gives us an opportunity to go directly into the subconscious mind and basically change those beliefs, those programs, so we can change them into ones that are actually aligned with the way that we wanna live and the way that we wanna be, which is exactly like the experience you had, where you had a, a thing that you could see happening in your life, and you wanted it to be different.
So we did the PSYCH-K process about embedding those beliefs for the new [00:04:00] way that you wanted to experience that. Mm-hmm. And that sort of, that's as, yeah, that's as simple as it is. Um, it is incredibly cool. Um, in terms of how I came to it, it was actually, I came to it because I have suffered from depression my entire life, and it was getting to the point of being quite unmanageable for me, and I don't go pharmaceutical much.
I really, I have a very natural and organic lifestyle choice. But it was to the point where I was prepared to do that. And I had come across PSYCH-K before, and I had sort of dismissed it, a bit like you maybe. Mm-hmm. Um, and then it came back again, and there actually happened to be a workshop in it just a few weeks later.
So I actually had a chat with the workshop organizer, and yeah, and then I decided to go for it, and I noticed improvements after that [00:05:00] workshop just in my emotional, mental wellbeing. Mm-hmm. And then it did take a bit longer. It took, um, quite a bit of just me working on myself and also taking some more workshops.
But I can honestly say, hand on heart, that having gone in and out of, like, really nasty, dark pits for 35 years, I don't anymore. It's like- Mm ... oh my God, life is completely different. Yeah. And yeah, like you say, it's just so simple. Um, so yeah, my having had such a powerful experience myself and working on it also with my husband and with other people- Yeah, I mean, it's...
I love holding the space. I love sharing it with people. It's so profound. Um, yeah. Who I am. Yeah. It, it really is profound, like that is the word for it. I experienced... [00:06:00] I'll just share 'cause, I'll just share. I was experiencing what I would call an anxious attachment. So, um, I'm recently separated, or not recently, but it's been a process.
It's been a, been a time, friends, where I went through a separation, and then I've stepped into the dating world. Um, and what I felt when I was connecting with people was I felt like I needed to keep conversation going. I felt like I needed to like, I don't know, it was... I d- I didn't feel my normal empowered self.
I didn't feel grounded in that space. What it actually felt like was there was this little tendril of myself that was out there, and that little tendril was like freaking out, like totally freaking out. And I couldn't as- like, I couldn't feel that at first. I didn't feel that. But it was after the Psych-K session when that started to shift that I actually realized that that little piece [00:07:00] of me had been freaking out out there, I don't even know where, but it, this is how it felt to me, that it was outside of my body.
It was outside of my consciousness. It was outside of me. It was connected to me, but it was well outside of me. And then after the Psych-K session, it took a couple of days. Like, the first day I noticed, oh, it feels different. The second day I noticed, oh, it was even more different. Third, fourth, and fifth day, and by the seventh day I was like, when I was engaging with people, my responses were completely different to what they had been previously.
My responses were empowered. My responses were going, "Hey, that's not cool. That's a red flag," and, "Nah, see ya." And I did not care that I was not people-pleasing. I could see that I had people-pleasing attached to this anxious attachment. I could see that I didn't wanna [00:08:00] feel abandonment associated to this anxious attachment.
And so therefore, I was like kinda just seeking any kind of connection that I could possibly get. So, that is completely different now, and as a result, the people that I am now communicating with, it's a different caliber of person that I'm communicating with, and they're meeting me more on that level that I want to experience when looking for a new partner or a new person to date.
So, it had a huge and profound effect on me. And it was like one session. Like, I cannot get over the difference that I felt after one session. And it did take a little bit of integration time, but, um ... So it, it leads me to link this because I know some people are going, "Are we like on a dating relationship website now?"
And we're not, because this is totally for family daycare educators. And why I wanted to bring you in, Gemma, [00:09:00] was because I know a lot of our educators feel guilt around setting boundaries, whether that be setting boundaries with their own children, setting boundaries with families that come into their family daycare service, setting boundaries with the children in care.
Um, they feel guilty about this. They feel these tr- tremendous amounts of guilt around fees, around what they provide, what they don't provide. The, the boundaries is a big thing. Having difficult conversations, they feel like they're putting their families out. Um, and, and I just thought, wow, if anyone had a PSYCH-K® session around that, they would completely shift and transform that relationship with that idea of guilt within their service.
Is that something that you think could be achievable through PSYCH-K®? Yeah, absolutely. Um I mean, clearly everyone's different. Um, [00:10:00] so even when you've got family daycare educators who are all in the same boat and they're going through similar processes, every single one of you's experience is gonna be different because you're different people.
Yeah. But when there's something like a common experience as f- as you say, like of guilt, then yeah, absolutely, we can look at that in so many different ways. But it's not about, it's not about can Psych-K sort out my guilt, it's about Psych-K giving you the opportunity to resolve whatever that guilt is presenting to you.
Mm. Which is again why it's gonna be different for different people. But it can definitely help you resolve just the stress that you feel. Mm-hmm. Um, the stress and the tension around any and all aspects of that. And then, yeah, like you would be able to [00:11:00] unpick and explore and resolve the triggers that, um, the triggers that are triggering the guilt.
Um, and which may be different, again, different for different people and in different contexts and different situations. Um, but yeah, 100%, that's exactly the kind of thing ... Um, I mean, guilt is a huge thing in our culture anyway, isn't it? We, it's, a lot of us carry guilt. All parents carry guilt, I think. Yep.
And, um, I have, I've worked with somebody who, on exactly, well, as a parent, um, and just resolving guilt that he was feeling around things that had happened when his, um, child was younger. And it certainly ended up easing the relationship. Like the, the, the guilt had actually become like a barrier between him and his, his [00:12:00] child.
And so once he had sorted out that guilt, suddenly the communication pathway between him and his child was, um, was so much smoother, and, and their relationship just blossomed afterwards. So that was pretty cool. Mm. Interesting. I, I think that's really good because, like, when we talk about guilt, and, and for family daycare educators, they often will feel guilty if a parent asks for something that they don't want to do.
Uh, and, and the educator will often feel guilty for saying no, and so therefore won't say no, and will go into people pleasing in order to keep these families happy. And what they're doing in that process without realizing it, and I understand why they do it, 'cause I've done it as well for a lot of years, is that they're actually taking themselves out of the equation and putting everybody else's needs in- front of their own.
Mm. And what they're [00:13:00] potentially unconsciously saying to themselves in that process is that they actually don't matter, and everybody else is more important than them. And that comes down to a belief system. And the thing with Psych-K, like what I noticed when I went through that process, was I didn't a- well, like we didn't actually have to go into specific events.
There wasn't anything that we trawled back through. It's not like if you go to a regular talk therapist or anything like that. So can you maybe touch on that and how it's a little bit different through the Psych-K process? Sure. Yeah, so one of the things that does make Psych-K different and kind of refreshing in a way, is that you, because it addresses the subconscious directly, you don't actually need to rehash and go over and dwell in the past.
[00:14:00] Or, you know, for people, because if you're coming to terms with or resolving traumatic issues that you, that you went through as a child, and you know, most of us have to greater or lesser extents, then you don't wanna go through that again. And a lot of people who are dealing with stuff that's been going for a long time, and this was certainly my experience with the depression, it's like I'm just so sick and tired of talking about it.
Mm. I don't wanna talk about it anymore. And, and that's a real thing, right? And yeah, with Psych-K, you really don't need to. The, you, what we do is we identify essentially how you want it to be instead, and that's where our focus is. Our focus is on where you wanna go as opposed to where you've been. Um, it's also very much f- there's- It brings in the fact or the approach that everything that happens to you is a [00:15:00] gift.
So even though this can be quite sort of confronting when you're looking at something that's been traumatic, um, when you recognize that from that traumatic episode, you're actually empowered from it. You've given... You've learnt something from it that is turning you into this stronger, better, freer, the person that you want to be.
Mm. Um, so it actually gives you the opportunity to move from being, uh, in a sort of victim state, which is ultimately powerless, to being, "No, I'm, I'm-" What's the opposite of the victim? I'm, I'm the, I'm empowered and I'm an authority in my life. Yeah. And that's what it allows you to ... That's the position it allows you to take.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, that's interesting because I know, like, going back [00:16:00] to, um, like belief systems and whatnot and, and, and how it's associated with guilt, I know a lot of family day care educators feel like major concern, they feel a lot of fear and they feel scared that the department's going to knock on their door and catch them out doing things.
Mm. Now, I, I understand why they feel like that, but also it's important to understand that that's actually not what happens, and what we're doing in that process when we become fearful of the department coming is that w- we're scared that we're doing the wrong thing, but that's actually a belief system, and it's, it's actually something that we make a lot bigger than what it actually needs to be.
So do you think that, like, e- educators that are struggling with, like, compliance and programming pressures, [00:17:00] um, that could actually be a subconscious belief of not being good enough and always being watched, and how that actually affects how someone performs under a, like a, a stressful, maybe it's a spot check or an A&R visit?
Is that something too that, um, you, we would be able to address and work through, through PSYCH-K? Yeah, totally. Um, again, like every individual is different, so like in those examples you've given, if somebody has, um, an anxiety and a fear around feeling like they're being watched or, or the unanticipated visit that's gonna come at any moment or whatever, so that fear may be driven by any one of a number of, um
come from any one of a number of sources, and someone else might have just ... Yeah, so everyone's responses to the same stresses will be [00:18:00] different. Um, but ev- everyone's can be resolved, and the whole- The whole way in which if you're reacting to a situation, whether it's imagined, like it's an imagined situation of somebody might be coming next week, your fear and stress around that, your subconscious mind ex- and, and therefore your whole limbic system and everything in you responds as if it's real.
Because the subconscious doesn't recognize the difference between imagined reality and experienced reality. To the subconscious mind, it's the same thing. So, um So yeah, with Psych-K you can absolutely address these individual things that are coming from, from wherever they're coming from, and bring them to, uh, to however you want to be.
So how do you want it to be when you know that your, you know, you may be... [00:19:00] somebody may come and watch over your shoulder? Well, I wanna be comfortable and at peace and know, have confidence in myself, and know that I have, I know that I'm doing the right thing, so I have nothing to worry about, and sit in that space.
So yeah, then let's, let's make that your reality, you know? Or I'm, if you have an anxiety around, um, getting your, all your paperwork in order 'cause there's so much paperwork to do and it's all gotta be right spot on or you'll get in trouble. So then again, we look at so what, what are the beliefs that you have going around, around your capacity to be organized?
Is it, where, what is it coming from in you? And um, and we can address that. Yep. Mm-hmm. Does that make sense? Yeah, awesome. Yeah, totally. Yeah. To- totally. Because I mean, I, I remember the feeling of, "Oh, my God, the department's coming," and be like [00:20:00] totally ugh. But I, I don't, like as an approved provider now, like they just rock up whenever and, and I'm organized and I'm ready.
So I don't have that fear, but I know that a lot of our cohort of educators do, and I get why too. Imagine, I just want you as an educator to imagine what that might feel like if you like worked through that process with a, a one or two Psych-K sessions. You work through that process and you didn't have that stress and that fear on your system all the time.
Imagine how that might change how you are as an educator. Imagine what that might change how you are with the children, how you are with your own children. Like it has huge knock-on effects as to, to be working through those sorts of, um, you know, subconscious beliefs that we [00:21:00] have, because they impact and affect so many different areas of our lives.
And so I think it's just worthwhile sitting with that and thinking if you're an educator that does have that fear, that your fear around your program you're not doing enough, fear around the department turning up, fear around your service showing up and giving you feedback and, and all that kind of stuff, like this is the perfect opportunity to, to, to look at that.
Because that fear isn't just going to be showing up in your family daycare, that's going to be showing up in other areas of your life where you feel those same- feelings. And when you shift it here, it shifts over there as well, and then that allows other things to either- Mm ... bloom and blossom within you, or it also allows other things to die as well.
So I think, like, talking about those, those sorts of situations, what they can actually lead to as well is burnout, fatigue, because educators [00:22:00] feel constantly if they're not feeling like what they're doing is good enough, they're not feeling like what they're doing meets the mark, um, they're constantly worried about getting checked up on, and all that sort of stuff.
What that eventually leads to is, like, burnout. Is that something that you think Psych K can help that process to resolve? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, of course it can. Um, I just wanted to touch just on something you were saying there before I'll get to the burnout. Um And now what was it that I wanted to respond to?
Um, oh, that was it. So whether it's around the sort of fear and anxiety and so on. So the other thing with PSYCH-K® is that you don't have to go down and, and sort of resolve the core point of why you find it, paperwork, a, a struggle, why it feels like a mountain. You don't have to, you don't [00:23:00] have to go and resolve the origin of what makes you anxious about this.
You can address whatever you're feeling at whatever level you want to address it at. So you can resolve your stress around an upcoming, um, check or something just on the level of that stress. Or you can look at how else it is, it's affecting you. Or you can look way, you can go wherever you like with it.
There's no set thing that says that when you do PSYCH-K® you're going to the root of everything, and it's... Because that can get a bit overwhelming and confronting, and sometimes you just want life to be a bit easier. Yeah. Yeah, you just want what's challenging you to just not challenge you quite so much.
And that's, it can absolutely meet you at that level. It'll meet you at the level you're at because fundamentally it's your process. It's not me as a facilitator doing anything to you. It's me enabling you to take the [00:24:00] steps that are right for you to take. Mm. So I just wanted to say that. Um, so yeah, with regards to burnout, it's kind of a similar answer actually, because again, so if you're feeling that overwhelmed, burnout, like all systems shut down, then we could with PSYCH-K® absolutely just work on the level of, you know, your systems are shut down.
Let's, you know, bring some peace to that and get your systems back up and running again. Or we can go back, go down to an, um, where the burnout's coming from, or what triggered it, or why, you know, your coping mechanisms and so on. And again, it's, the process is entirely driven by you as the, the client, the partner in this process.
Um, and it's however you want it to be. Mm. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, 'cause it was really good for me when we went through that process. I wa- I, I was really clear about what I [00:25:00] wanted. I'd, I'd spent- Mm ... some time before I went up there just... I, I didn't realize what we were gonna do. I had no idea what we were gonna do.
It seemed to be a little bit coincidental, but it's never coincidental. Um, but I sat, I'd sat on the beach really processing what I wanted as I move forward in my life, and I was extremely clear. And I think that helped the process when we worked together because I had some really, um- concrete ideas, uh, as to what- Yeah
I wanted to do moving forward in my life. Yeah. Um, and I think when you've got clarity like that, it always makes these kinds of processes a lot easier. So is it a, like a one-time thing or is it something you need to go back again and again and again and again? Like how does Psych-K work in terms of that situation?
Yeah, so it's sort of [00:26:00] really how much you want. Um, if you're coming to see a Psych-K facilitator for a specific issue, um, the guideline is really to always do at least two sessions. Because even though, like you found, you can have enormous change come from one session, often when you, especially when you're new to it, if you can resolve all sorts of stuff that's this big elephant in the room, and then once the elephant in the room's sort of dissolved away, you notice that there's, I don't know, some koalas sticking around and things like that that need addressing too.
Mm-hmm. So the second session often helps to c- to pick up stuff that was sort of, that you couldn't see because of the big one. Mm-hmm. Um, it also helps to uncover, sometimes you can have what you could call a, "It's better, but..." So, you know- Mm-hmm ... there's been a lot of change. It's a lot better, but I'm still noticing [00:27:00] that I'm doing this now instead of that.
And when that person says that, I- I react in this way and, or something like that. So it's- it's always good to mop up around the edges and just to have that, that tied up nicely in a, in at least two sessions. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, further than that, because Psych-K is such a versatile toolkit, you can apply it anywhere and to anything.
So, and like, for me personally, I- I u- I mean, obviously, 'cause I fac- facilitate for myself, I use it all the time, um, because I have quite a, my focus is very much on a spiritual life. So my, I actually believe that you could use Psych-K all the way to enlightenment. Yeah, right. Wow. Because, because everything else is just blocks, [00:28:00] blocks in the road- Yeah
right? So you can u- Yeah ... what Psych-K does is it allows you to pick up the blocks and move them, or dissolve them, or however you want to see it. So you can just keep on going, and you can resolve and dissolve all these little blockages in the road until there's, there's nothing, there's nothing left.
There's no blockage left. Mm-hmm. Interesting. And, and I think like, a- as we talked about, once you start shifting one thing, then other things come up or other things resolve that may have been connected to that one big thing. Yep. Um, and so it's, it's just about tuning in and checking in to see where you're at, and maybe noticing, oh- This is now showing up.
Like, uh, this is, this is new. I haven't experienced this before, and this is making me feel uncomfortable. I'll just go and get another Psych-K session and just move through it- Yeah ... a lot easier, and I don't have to, it doesn't have to be a big deal. And, uh- Yeah ... it's, it's [00:29:00] such a great, flexible modality. So can you run through what an actual Psych-K session would look like?
Sure. Um, yeah, so, like, if it would be your first session, so then, you know, we'd meet up. We, um, chat about what's brought you, what's brought you here. And as I said before, we very much focus on where you want it to be. So obviously we need to set the scene a little bit, set the stage, and see what's going on.
But then we really focus on where you want it to go. Um, we use muscle testing. So because we are, Psych-K is operating on the level of the subconscious mind, um, we then use muscle testing to communicate with the subconscious mind. So that's just with me applying a little pressure to your arm, and you resist it- Would you like me to go into why that works, or leave that as it is?
Sure. Yeah. If, if you think it'll be helpful, that would be great. Oh, it's just, it's pretty [00:30:00] cool. Um, so essentially, um, it's our subconscious mind that is in charge of our musculoskeletal system, and you can see that by saying, you know, if you're gonna have a cup of tea, you might consciously decide, oh, you know, I'm gonna have some tea.
But you don't actually make your fingers grip the cup, bring it to your mouth, do this and swallow. All of that's done by the subconscious mind. So the subconscious mind responds to a stimulus from outside, but it's in charge of doing everything that your body does. And it's, but it is quite hard to communicate with, so whenever we're talking and we're doing things, that's our conscious mind talking, right?
So in order to communicate with the subconscious mind, we can do it through the body because the subconscious mind is in charge of the body. So what happens is, so I or you would say a statement that is either, for your subconscious mind, is either true or [00:31:00] false. And if the statement, if your subconscious perceives the statement to be true, then you will be able to resist.
I'll do this so you can see. You'll be able- Mm ... to resist the pressure that I apply. If your subconscious mind doesn't perceive any truth, the statement is false. When I apply the pressure, your arm will not be able to resist. Yeah. It's pretty hilarious how, how that is when you first do it. Um, so that's the process that we use to communicate throughout the PSYCH-K® process as to what, uh, what belief we want to establish, what is the best process to use, whether it is safe for you in the bigger context of your life to make this change, um, which of the PSYCH-K® balances we're gonna use, and then when it's complete, and then it also confirms that the process is complete.
Mm. So going back to, so [00:32:00] in our PSYCH-K® session, we've met up, we've decided what we're gonna do. We've done one of these balances, and then we come back and we go, "Okay, so how's that feeling now?" And then maybe we come across, we do ano- we do it again, and then we do it again, and then we do it again. And there are other protocols that we have that we use sometimes as well that are really, really helpful in uncovering, like, why am I repeating this pattern?
If you're repeating a pattern of behavior and you really don't know why, then, um, using one of these other protocols can help figure out what it is that you're actually- Why it is that you're doing it, and what you need to change to stop it. Um- Yeah. Yeah ... and then at the end of a Psych-K session, we do what we call action steps.
So Psych-K, like I said, is all about the subconscious mind s- whereas obviously we live in the conscious, physical, 3D world. Mm. So an action step [00:33:00] is when we bring the subconscious change and anchor it into the conscious 3D world, which is really important because that's where we live, and- Mm ... change is evident through action, not just through what you're thinking and what's going on in your head.
Mm-hmm. So yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, muscle testing, I know muscle testing through kinesiology, and I know Psych-K is a, a branch of the kinesiology tree. Um, and that's an incredible modality, and I think a lot of people will have already heard of kinesiology, so that might be an interesting way for people to link how this kind of works too, um, in terms of the way the body just tells what's happening.
It's not someone else coming in and diagnosing you. It's actually your body giving the responses, and you will see it, like, straight up then and there. You'll feel it, and you're like, "That is so weird." [00:34:00] That, like, when you say, "Is your name Victoria?" And your arm just doesn't move, and then if you say, "Is your name Fred?"
And it, like, falls, you're like, I, like, I c- I'm not even consciously doing that. Like- Exactly ... it gives you an insight as to the power of our mind and the power of our subconscious mind, and the subconscious mind is something that you're just not even aware of and that just runs the show all the time. All the time.
100%. 100%. And this, these ideas that we respond to r- uh, that we react to, and we don't even know that we're doing it. So Psych-K has this really incredible ability to be able to bring what's unconscious into consciousness, and meaning that you can really work with the things that are not working in your life and not being the way you want them to, and being able to shift that really simply into a way that makes you [00:35:00] feel more at ease and more calm and more connected to yourself.
And that's 100% been the experience that I've had, um, since being privileged enough to be able to, to come and experience the Psych-K with you. Mm. So I, I would say, um, w- like, if there's someone who's curious but maybe is a little bit skeptical, uh, what would you say, like, someone who's tried other things before but not felt a change, what would you say to them in regards to giving Psych-K a, an opportunity?
Well, if there's somebody who's curious but skeptical, I would say focus on the curiosity. Be curious. Mm. Be curious. Be curious. Give it a go. See what happens. What's the worst that can happen? Absolutely nothing. Mm. So, um, yeah, like I'm perfectly happy to accommodate [00:36:00] skeptics. Um, that curiosity is invaluable though, because if you come in...
Well, I mean, even if you... Because the thing with muscle testing is that you can't deny it. Mm. So if you, even if you don't believe in muscle testing, I mean, muscle testing still works. You can not believe in gravity, and it's still gonna work, right? Not that I'm- Mm ... comparing the two, but you know, it's a reasonable example.
Um, so yeah, I would honestly say just give it a go. I'm not going to convince anyone. I'm not going to try to say, "Well, this is, this is what you need to do," because everyone, it's up to everyone what they d- what practices and support they engage with at any moment in their lives, and there's the right timing for e- for anyone.
Um- I know without a shadow of a doubt that Psych-K is one of the most, possibly the most powerful method of change that I've come across. Um, but I, [00:37:00] I'm... And if somebody's curious and open, I love to share it. Um, but I'm certainly not going to be trying to convince anyone about that. Mm. Yeah. I, yeah, I totally agree.
People are gonna do what they wanna do, and- Mm ... people are not gonna do what they don't wanna do, which is, like, we, we all have that autonomy and it's fabulous. Um, and I, I didn't do Psych-K for maybe two years. And now I wish I had of done it a lot sooner. Um, so, like, with the muscle testing too, can I ask, because if there is anyone that's skeptical out there, um, and I'm sure there's probably a lot, um, with the muscle testing, can you as the practitioner, the, the, the, the client or the customer, whoever, the, the person who's having Psych-K done to them, in order to test and do a theory on muscle testing, can that person have yes or no questions in their head [00:38:00] and not share them with you, the practitioner?
So this, they have no idea. You can say, like, "Ask your body to give a yes signal to whatever question you're asking in your head." And then so that they can understand that there is a level of, um, authenticity to that muscle testing. Is that something that would work as well? So let me just be clear that I understand what you're saying.
So you're saying that if the partner sort of has in mind, you know, I have, I have three sons, and they're having I have three sons in their mind, whereas actually they've got two, two daughters. Yeah. So they're holding in their mind, "I have three sons," and then I'm testing. So it's for them- Yeah ... to confirm that it works.
Is that what you're saying? Correct. Correct, yeah. Yeah, absolutely, 100%. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. 'Cause it's always, it's always a statement we make, it's not a question. So we, we say it as a statement, which is either true or false. [00:39:00] Yeah, okay. Or positive or negative or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, awesome.
So if people wanna know more about Psych-K and more about you, how can they get in touch with you and, um, to, to explore this further? Yeah. So I've got a website which is lifewellbalanced.au. Um, so hop on there. There's contact details on there, um, phone number, email, and I believe there'll be a link, um, connected to this podcast.
Absolutely. I should also say as well that, um, so I am based on the Gold Coast, and I work out of two places here. Um, we can also do sessions online when Psych-K's equally effective online, um, or even just by a phone call. You don't even need the video. Um, the process works- Equally well in any of those forms Yeah.
Wow, okay. So you can do it online or over the phone, so [00:40:00] that makes it handy for educators anywhere Yeah ... in the world to be able to come and, uh ... 'Cause I know we've got some listeners in America and Canada and the UK and- Cool ... everybody. Um, yeah, so that's interesting because you can, you don't have to actually come to you in person, which is so good 'cause no travel and getting to do it in the comfort of your own home.
um- Absolutely ... so you, you also have, um, a special that's attached to this podcast episode that will be available, um, for a little while. So if anyone wants to jump on, um, the, the, the website to get to or the, the website handle to get to is lifewellbalanced.au/rainbow. So if you put that into your search engine, that's gonna take you to Gemma's website, and there's, uh, a, a se- several things that you can have a look at on the website, um, which will, will, um, get you in touch with Gemma.
Um, so there is a, a, um, discovery call that you can book so you can have a chat with [00:41:00] Gemma and just make sure it's something that is going to actually work for you, uh, and Gemma will be able to assist you in that process. So, um, yeah, I'm so excited that I think some educators will jump on board and, and move through those, you know, burnout issues and those things around, you know, concerns around their programming and their documentation and, and the department rocking up.
And I just want you to take a second and think what your life might feel like and how much you might love your job and love the work that you do so much more if you didn't have those little monkeys hanging on your back all the time. And so with that, I would like to say thank you so much, Gemma. I'm so appreciative that you shared your, your time with us today.
I'm sure that you're going to be able to help a lot of educators to move through those, um, those issues that they may be experiencing around setting boundaries and feeling guilty and burnout and, [00:42:00] you know, fear around the department rocking up and all those sorts of things. Imagine just being able to have one or two sessions and have that resolve to a point where it doesn't keep you up at night and doesn't stress you out.
Just imagine. Imagine how that would feel. It would be amazing. So thank you so much, Gemma. I really appreciate your time today and, uh, yeah, I look forward to my next psych case session with you very, very soon. Awesome. Thank you so much, Victoria. It's been great to have this conversation, and yeah, it is just, I feel it to be such a tremendous honor to just hold this space and be able to hold the space for people to make these changes.
So yeah, if anyone wants to get in touch, would love to hear from you. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. All right, Gemma, thank you so much. Thanks. Bye. And thank you to our listeners for tuning in, and we will see you next time on the Big Hearted Podcast. Big love.
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